1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Music 2 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Welcome to Sightings. I'm Tim White. 3 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 On a past edition of Sightings, we introduced you to Nick Polt, 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,000 the British Defence Ministry's former point man for UFO investigations. 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,000 When I first interviewed Polt last year, he told me that he was a non-believer 6 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,000 until one extraordinary UFO report changed his mind completely. 7 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,000 It's a case little known outside of England, 8 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,000 but one that has the power to turn skeptics into true believers. 9 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Music 10 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Nick Polt has been transferred away from the UFO desk at the Ministry of Defence, 11 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:02,000 but his book, Open Skies, Closed Minds, has him once again at the centre of Britain's UFO debate. 12 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,000 It's an unlikely position for a man who started out as a died-in-the-wool skeptic. 13 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,000 When I started the UFO job at the Ministry of Defence, 14 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,000 I really didn't know what I was letting myself in for. 15 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:18,000 I came in as a skeptic and with very little knowledge of what it was all about. 16 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Then one startling report, and Nick Polt was never the same again. 17 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:28,000 I'd been doing the UFO job for a year or so 18 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:33,000 when a case came along which really changed my perception on the whole UFO mystery. 19 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:39,000 It occurred on the 30th and 31st of March, 1993, 20 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:45,000 and it was without doubt one of the most major waves of sightings Britain had ever seen. 21 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:51,000 At 1.05 a.m. March 31st, 1993, the report began, 22 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,000 and the radar did not detect a massive UFO in British airspace. 23 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:00,000 There were military and police eye-witnesses and impeccable documentation. 24 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,000 There were dozens and dozens of witnesses all over the country. 25 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Many of them, because this was late at night, were police officers on night patrol 26 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000 and military personnel on guard duty. 27 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,000 UFO investigator Doug Cooper was awakened at 2.20 that morning 28 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:22,000 by a shaken Cornwall police sergeant who described what he and others had just seen. 29 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:29,000 The object was black and it appeared to be shaped either something like a wedge shape 30 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:36,000 or a delta wing shape or indeed like a catamaran between hulls and craft. 31 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:41,000 There were lights on this craft which appeared to be at either end of it, 32 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,000 which they described as about 500 feet apart. 33 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:52,000 At the Ministry of Defense, Nick Pope was being inundated with questions about the UFO's origins. 34 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,000 I launched a full inquiry into this. 35 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:01,000 I made a series of very detailed checks to try and find a prosaic explanation for this. 36 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:08,000 I checked aircraft movements, satellite tracks, airships, weather balloons, 37 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:14,000 but after an extremely detailed inquiry that took me several weeks, I drew a complete blank. 38 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 This was a genuine unknown. 39 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Pope and Cooper persevered, in large part because of the sheer number of reliable eyewitnesses. 40 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Pope poured over the reports of Devon Patrol officers Barry Mitchell and Gus Cotting 41 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,000 who observed the UFO near the Bristol Channel. 42 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,000 What's up, Gus? 43 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,000 What's up, Gus? 44 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Oh, hello. 45 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Gus and I both sort of looked at each other and Gus stopped the car and we got out. 46 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,000 I've never seen anything like that before. 47 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Certainly three lights that we saw, I certainly found the opinion that they were fixed to the same object. 48 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,000 I couldn't see any object, travelling at the same speed, 49 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:03,000 and had it been a conventional sized aircraft, it would have been a deafening noise. 50 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,000 It was probably in our view for about 30 seconds. 51 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,000 It was really, really strange. 52 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Those are the three lights in the position, and that's our vehicle. 53 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,000 You just don't know what to say, do you, James? 54 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,000 It's the first time you come across something like that. 55 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Their notes and drawings only came out after they discovered they were not alone. 56 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:31,000 It's very difficult to come out of the closet, so to speak, and talk about these things openly. 57 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,000 So Barry and I decided not to say anything initially. 58 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Then another officer in Cornwall came up over the radio and said that he had seen these lights. 59 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,000 So once they had broken the ice, we then said, well, yeah, we've seen them as well. 60 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,000 Then other officers came across the radio as well to say that they'd seen the lights as well. 61 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:56,000 In fact, police all over Southern England were calling this batch with UFO sightings of their own. 62 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:03,000 The other officers who saw these lights, albeit some of those officers were in excess of 60 or 70 miles away from where we were, 63 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,000 the timing of their sighting was exactly the same as the timing of our sighting, 64 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:14,000 which putting the whole thing together makes it even further a bigger mystery. 65 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Police officers are reliable, and they're not given to flights of fancy as far as we're concerned. 66 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,000 They reported something which they're seeing, which they don't understand. 67 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 This is basically what we're talking about. 68 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,000 It's an object which they can't identify with. 69 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,000 And I suppose to some extent, I mean, rather alarmed them. 70 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:41,000 At M.O.D., Pope read secret Air Force documents and discovered that the RAF was just as baffled as he. 71 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:50,000 He realized that something had happened, and he seems to have gone out of his way to be as helpful as he possibly could. 72 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,000 But I've sent him a letter with the map on it, of course. 73 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,000 We've never had this before from anybody in that position. 74 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Not only did Pope send a map showing when and how the UFO had traveled, he also included where. 75 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:11,000 A complete list of sighting's locations, including several military installations, something only the Defense Ministry knew. 76 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Pope did it because he felt the UFO posed a serious threat. 77 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Something had flown into England, and military radar didn't catch it. 78 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:26,000 I ordered the radar tapes to be impounded and sent to me in my office. 79 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:33,000 I then sat down, viewed them, and then brought in an air defense expert to have another look. 80 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,000 We were clear that there was nothing on the tape. 81 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,000 This was very worrying. 82 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:47,000 We'd got reports from military personnel of a sizable craft operating very low over two of our military bases. 83 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:55,000 And there was nothing on radar, so we never had any warning, and we never even got our air defense aircraft into the air. 84 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:03,000 The MOD are faced with a situation where they have an object flying across our counties, and they have no way to detect it. 85 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Whether the alien craft of otherwise is another matter, but the fact is that an unknown craft crossed right across these counties, 86 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,000 and the REF do not appear to get it up on their radar. 87 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:21,000 If a structured craft of unknown origin has evaded detection by the Royal Air Force, the implications are global. 88 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,000 If the world's air defense systems cannot respond, what will? 89 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:35,000 That's got to be extremely worrying, and that's got to mean that this whole UFO sighting is a matter of extreme defense significance. 90 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:42,000 The party line, the Ministry of Defense Standard View, is that UFOs are of no defense significance. 91 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Now, after this incident, I didn't have much time for that standard line. 92 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:57,000 I felt it simply didn't stand up to the facts, and it was from this point that my views on the whole UFO phenomenon began to change, 93 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,000 and I began to realize that it wasn't just lights in the sky. 94 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:09,000 It couldn't be explained, and there may well be some extraterrestrial explanation to a hard core of these UFO sightings. 95 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,000 We asked the Ministry of Defense for comment on this report. 96 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:21,000 The M.O.D.'s official response states that while they remain open-minded about the possible existence of flying saucers, they, quote, 97 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:27,000 remain unaware of any evidence which proves that these phenomena exist, unquote. 98 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Next, why Moonwalker Edgar Mitchell turned to the paranormal for answers about our world. 99 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:38,000 That mind is interactive with nature. It's a part of nature. It's inseparable. 100 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:44,000 We talked about Mitchell's remarkable spiritual transformation after his flight to the Moon, 101 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,000 and in this, the second part of that report, we continue our conversation with Ed Mitchell 102 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,000 and learn that in many ways he is still very much an explorer. 103 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:04,000 My whole purpose in my life turns out, is that of an explorer to discover. 104 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,000 This is Edgar Mitchell, the cosmic explorer. 105 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:14,000 One of only 12 men to stand on the Moon and look back on Earth as a true extraterrestrial. 106 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:19,000 When Apollo 14 returned to Earth, Edgar Mitchell was a different man. 107 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:27,000 A lifelong curiosity about the power of the mind and humankind's purpose in the cosmos became an obsession. 108 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,000 And from that day to this, Mitchell has been a seeker of new truths. 109 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:36,000 He's a different kind of explorer now, an astronaut who has seen the big picture 110 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,000 and documents his journey to understand it. 111 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,000 How should people understand what happened to you on the way back? 112 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:52,000 Your epiphany. Were you struck on the road to Damascus, or was it a process that you went through? 113 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Everybody has been through moments of great discovery, in their own life, one way or another, 114 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,000 something that's a-how, wow, isn't that neat? 115 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,000 This was just that same experience multiplied a few times over. 116 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:12,000 Most people don't spend 25 years working to find out what that moment of discovery meant, and you have. Why? 117 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,000 There was an impulse within me to find out what all of this meant. 118 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,000 This experience was so curious. 119 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:24,000 And I think being a pretty good scientist and a pretty good explorer, I said, 120 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,000 this doesn't fit my answers, let's go find out why my answers are wrong. 121 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:34,000 So, I mean, it's taken 25 years to come to a new answer. 122 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:40,000 It began with Mitchell's sense that there must be a universal connection between all things. 123 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Neither science nor religion had all the answers he felt. 124 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:49,000 So, for the past 20 years, questions formulated in outer space have been explored 125 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:57,000 at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, founded by Mitchell, and currently under the direction of Winston Franklin. 126 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:02,000 One of the really fascinating things about the Institute is that in that moment in the spaceship, 127 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Edgar Mitchell got a very complete picture of what the Institute should be. 128 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:14,000 In other words, he realized that it was to be an integration of science and spirituality. 129 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:23,000 The old model says the mind doesn't matter, that only the laws of nature which are immutable, physics matters. 130 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:31,000 That's it. Your proposition is that not only does the mind matter, it is inseparable from the laws of physics. 131 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:37,000 The bottom line today is that mind is interactive with nature. It's a part of nature. It's inseparable. 132 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:47,000 The universe we're in is a self-organizing, trial-and-error, learning, intelligent, interactive universe. 133 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,000 And that's quite a different model than we had 20 years ago. 134 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Much of this new reality is based on personal experiences which have led Mitchell to respect the potential of mind over matter. 135 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:04,000 He calls it intentionality, the power of the mind to deliberately change reality. 136 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:11,000 When Edgar Mitchell's mother developed glaucoma and became blind without her glasses, doctors said there was little they could do, 137 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,000 so Mitchell brought his mother to a Tibetan healer. 138 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:22,000 I didn't know whether it was real, not real, but he was oppressive and mother was having a problem, so my devious little mind said get them together. 139 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,000 The results of the 20-minute healing session were not immediately apparent. 140 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Six o'clock the next morning my mother came rushing into my room, waked me up out of sleep, had her Bible in one hand, her glasses in the other, 141 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:42,000 proceeded to read her scripture. She was a very religious woman, and said, Praise the Lord, I can see, I can see, son, I can see. 142 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Then dropped her glasses on the floor, ground them under her foot, and said again, Praise the Lord, I can see. 143 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,000 Mitchell was impressed by the effect of the healing. 144 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,000 Then a week later something even more startling happened. 145 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:04,000 His mother asked if the healer was a Christian, and was devastated when Mitchell told her that he was a Buddhist. 146 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:14,000 The next day she went back to get her glasses. She couldn't see, so the belief system, the mind really had a lot to do with that. 147 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Apollo 13 nearly suffered a tragedy of untold portion. They almost didn't make it back. 148 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:27,000 The whole crew almost lost in space. The entire earth praying that something works out in a particular way, could that have an effect on their return? 149 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:38,000 I certainly think so. From everything we've learned, the non-local desires, the intentions, the wishes of that many people, absolutely. 150 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:50,000 We watch the intentions, the kindly healing, loving intentions of people have an effect on traumatized, ill people, time after time after time. 151 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Through published studies, the Institute of Noetic Sciences has helped mainstream alternative techniques like biofeedback and acupuncture. 152 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Now an ambitious project is underway to change the way our brains perceive the world. 153 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:12,000 And that global mind change is a change in world view of everybody on the planet. 154 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:29,000 So that principally we see our interconnectedness. We realize that we are part of something much bigger, that we're connected with all life, that it is a purposeful existence, and that there is meaning. 155 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Edgar Mitchell's explorations may have turned inward. A pursuit he highly recommends. 156 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:43,000 But the former astronaut still encourages his son and kids everywhere to push back the frontiers of space. 157 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:49,000 And Mitchell has also drawn some startling conclusions about Earth's place in the metagalactic community. 158 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:59,000 If there were extraterrestrial life keeping an eye on what's going on on Earth, what would the intention of life from elsewhere be toward us? 159 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:05,000 We're going to speculate on that, but we can extend our own experience since we're now at spacefaring civilization. 160 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 We are stewards of this planet. We need to responsible for it. 161 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:17,000 And perhaps our visitors, if they are real, are looking at us and saying, well, which way are these guys going to go? 162 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:27,000 Are they going to be so dumbheaded and unconscious that their behavior destroys the planet? 163 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Or are they going to wake up, become conscious, become planetary citizens, become cosmic citizens, and make this a cosmic civilization and join the rest of the community? 164 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Edgar Mitchell is not the only Apollo astronaut to walk a spiritual path after his walk on the moon. 165 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Alan Bean, the fourth man to walk on the moon, has become a painter, creating dreamy galactic scenes. 166 00:15:52,000 --> 00:16:00,000 James Irwin, who walked on the moon in 1971, became a minister after his flight and is a religious explorer who searched for traces of Noah's Ark. 167 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:06,000 And Charles Duke, who followed Irwin to the moon, is now a Christian missionary. 168 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:19,000 News. Until recently, dedicated ufologists needed to make a trip to the National Archives in Washington or file copious freedom of information requests to get any information at all about government knowledge of UFOs. 169 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,000 That is all about to change with a click of a mouse. 170 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:37,000 On the World Wide Web, the Periscope is giving users a virtual on the Mac of Up to the Minute UFO reports. 171 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:47,000 From black helicopters to Area 51, this website is dedicated to providing information on UFOs, conspiracies, cryptic creatures, and cutting-edge science. 172 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:54,000 Click on one of four major icons and find out the latest paranormal facts and figures from around the world. 173 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,000 The Matrix link is devoted to conspiracies and cover-ups. 174 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:03,000 Nebula is a continuing update on UFO sightings and alien encounters. 175 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:09,000 Enigma catalogs paranormal phenomena, and dossier has declassified government documents. 176 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:16,000 Take an alien abduction survey, visit the image gallery, or click on the Freedom of Information Act Help Center. 177 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:23,000 From there, you can FOIA almost any government agency from the National Security Council to the White House. 178 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:31,000 Periscope has up-to-date links, data, and images available at www.periscope.com. 179 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:43,000 In Henderson, Minnesota, children have discovered what may be the latest installment of Gaia's Revenge. 180 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:52,000 In this protected wetland, middle school students have made a shocking discovery. 181 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,000 Over 50% of the frogs here suffer from bizarre mutations. 182 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:06,000 Scientists called in to help have documented abnormalities ranging from extra limbs, missing legs, two eyes and the throat. 183 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Amphibian biologist Dr. Robert McKinnell feels that this may be a warning to human beings. 184 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,000 This would suggest that something was affecting their DNA. 185 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:23,000 It could be due to parasites. We don't know the answers to that, but it could also be due to a chemical we do not know. 186 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Biologists recognize these frogs as an indicator species because they process toxins in much the same way humans do. 187 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:36,000 What happens to frogs might happen similarly to humans. 188 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Some people have said the frog is like a canary in a mine. If frogs are dying in our environment, where do we go? 189 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:55,000 The Minnesota Pollution Control Agency and environmentalists fear that there could be a link between pollution, global warming, toxins, and mutant frogs. 190 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:02,000 Beware, some scientists warn, because deformities may be only the first step toward global mutation. 191 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:21,000 Let me tell you that their detoxification mechanism is failing the frogs, and since the frog detoxification mechanism is very similar to ours, then our protective mechanism may similarly fail. 192 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:31,000 So far, no one knows exactly why newborn frogs are turning into these freaks of nature. But they are, and not just here. 193 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Biologists have discovered similar amphibian deformities in more than 150 locations around the world, and time may be running out. 194 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,000 After the frogs, what will be next? 195 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:53,000 We'll have more stories in the news next time. Now, here's what's coming up as sightings continues. 196 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,000 I really feel bad for you guys, because there's so much injustice here. 197 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:09,000 The spirit never dies. After the body's gone, the life force lives on. It either crosses over to another plane of existence, or it remains on earth to clear up any unfinished business. 198 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:18,000 Apparently, there is much to clear up at one historic site in Nevada, where witnesses say many restless spirits are trying to make contact. 199 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:37,000 This is where the spirits walk, people say. Here, among the abandoned stone buildings at the old Stuart Indian School, just outside Carson City, Nevada. 200 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:46,000 Tribes people in Stuart have preserved a portion of the site as a museum and cultural resource center, but most of the campus remains the same as it did in 1930. 201 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:53,000 There are secrets behind these boarded windows, and the belief that school children, long dead, are still here. 202 00:20:53,000 --> 00:21:02,000 I have seen two children that are playing on the grass, but as I keep walking, I tend to back to look at them, they're no longer there. 203 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Mike Parris is a member of the MiWalk tribe. He speaks for many people who have grown up in this area and have watched the spirit children. 204 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:17,000 They seem to be playing with each other, rolling around with each other, and when you take a second look, they're no longer there. They have gone. 205 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:27,000 The ephemeral scenes are described as poignant, spiritual, never frightening. But there's a different feeling in the basement of the old administration building. 206 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Here, the spirit of an older white male is said to defend his otherworldly territory with an iron fist. He is called the superintendent because he is thought to be the spirit of a ruthless school official. 207 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,000 I can't say what it is, but there's definitely something in the basement. 208 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:49,000 Bo Sargent is a former cultural center administrator. Some of his ancestors attended the school. 209 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:58,000 You get a really weird feeling as you go down the stairs, and there was a really bad odor underneath the stairs. I felt scared. 210 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:10,000 My whole body was just nothing but goosebumps, and my hair was standing, and like that odor. Oh, that was the odor that I smelled down there. It seemed to stay right inside my nose. 211 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:25,000 I turned around, and within a blink of an eye, there was a tall gentleman that I believe is the superintendent that lived here, walked through me, my left shoulder. 212 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:33,000 He was tall, thin, dark clothes. I think he was wearing glasses, and it just happened very fast. 213 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:43,000 I've heard stories of his stance in front of the fireplace, and now with a blanket wrapped around him and his shivers, he's cold, trying to get warm. 214 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:59,000 There's a lot of emotion attached to this place due to what happened when the school first opened, and you speak with the elders now who come into the museum, and they have this fear of coming back to this school of what went on during that time when there were little kids coming here. 215 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:21,000 I am certain that energy and turmoil is energy and turmoil. It's just that. And I think that what a lot of these people have seen are the remains of that energy, unresolved conflict, unsolved murders, unsolved questions, unpunished perpetrators, horrible deeds. 216 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:30,000 Sightings was granted permission to bring psychic investigator Jorianne DeFray to the old school to see if she could ease the pain of the spirits here. 217 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:39,000 I believe that when I do this work, I allow the universal energies to flow through me to give me all the information that's necessary to help any situation. 218 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,000 But she was not prepared for the secrets revealed to her. 219 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:50,000 I was grief-stricken. I was caught up in an emotional state for quite a while that even when I left the land, I was at the point of tears. 220 00:23:50,000 --> 00:24:06,000 Jorianne's work is usually a matter of fact. Recording psychic impressions on tape, then taking copious notes. But this case reached deep into Jorianne's being. And when she met Susie Lisa, Jorianne could no longer keep her business-like demeanor. 221 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Some of my staff are bothered by the superintendent, and if there's some way to make it so, he doesn't bother my staff. 222 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:25,000 What it appears to be is that he is not who you think he is. He is not one man. He is an accumulation of energies that have come through him. 223 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Him being like a channel. Okay? And all this negativity and everything else just seemed to well up in him. 224 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:43,000 I don't know if there's been slaughter on this property. I don't know what's going on here. But the loss is overwhelming. I believe that the government has had stuff to do here or something. 225 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:53,000 I don't know if this land has changed hands or whatever. But what was once yours will be yours again like that. Okay? Does that make sense to you? 226 00:24:53,000 --> 00:25:03,000 Completely. A lot of people died here. Just unbelievable. A lot of people also somewhere were cut down in their prime. Here. 227 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:12,000 Yes, these are her children you're talking about. I really feel bad for you guys because there's so much injustice here. 228 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,000 Then Jorianne began to give specific information about what happened to the children. 229 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:27,000 You're correct, but I cannot put this on camera. We can't use this. She's absolutely correct. I feel for her, but I cannot allow that to be aired. 230 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:33,000 I feel terrible that she did hit that, but there's no way you can use that. We are aware of what's there. 231 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:39,000 Sightings agreed to respect the wishes of the cultural center and not air Jorianne's revelations. 232 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:49,000 She had hit on certain truths that many people hold sacred and to divulge them would mean interfering with ongoing healing practices now being conducted. 233 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:59,000 What can be told is the school's tragic place in Native American history. The Stuart School was established after the infamous slaughter at Wounded Knee in 1890. 234 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:04,000 It was built by the U.S. government to address what was termed, quote, the Indian problem. 235 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Children here were acculturated, converted to Christianity, taught English, and other subjects that U.S. officials promised would civilize the savages. 236 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:24,000 In the early times, from 1890 to about 1930, it was a roundup, a wholesale roundup, much like you'd gather unbranded cattle. 237 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:32,000 And so many children were actually brought here in cattle cars. So the process was a mandatory roundup. 238 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:38,000 In that era, children who were taken to the Stuart School never went home again. 239 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,000 Children as young as two were forcibly taken from the family they would never see again. 240 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:50,000 Eventually, the school became a source of pride when tribes people began exerting their rights and influence. 241 00:26:50,000 --> 00:27:00,000 So it is only now that survivors and ancestors are discovering the depth of brutality in the early years when they claim children were not students, but POWs. 242 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:11,000 In spite of a lot of the activity that was ongoing here, there were children who either ran away or who survived it or who helped other children live through it. 243 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,000 And they lived long enough to tell us about it. 244 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:20,000 When Jorianne went into the superintendent's basement, she felt that this was ground zero for the activity. 245 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:28,000 Oh, I'm going to tell you right away. The sense that I get in here is like this, uh, you know, don't come in here. 246 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:38,000 All right, don't come into this room. Okay. God help you if you should go in this room. Okay. Like, something or somebody is going to get you. 247 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,000 It's like what happened down here. 248 00:27:41,000 --> 00:28:00,000 The sense of just bad stuff, just bad stuff. The emotions coming up, the fear, the fear of wanting to run the fright. 249 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:10,000 And then, um, you know, knowing, uh, knowing that they're trapped. Why aren't they here? You know, who's not here? 250 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:20,000 To like save us, you know, and then having to run and no one is here. 251 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Somebody on the other side holds the children's hands. Okay. 252 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:40,000 There's like a school of the children of the dead and they sit all by the water waiting for you to come talk to them. Does this make sense to you? 253 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:47,000 Okay. You have to be their mom right now. Okay. 254 00:28:47,000 --> 00:29:01,000 As they parted, Jorian felt a sense of renewed peace, knowing that the caretakers of the old school will not only preserve this historic site, but also that they will take care of children who still cry out from the other side. 255 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:07,000 We honor the spirits of the children who are here. We love them. 256 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:15,000 Witnesses who claim to have seen the spirit known as the superintendent report that he's always cold and is often seen by the fire trying to warm. 257 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:33,000 Why are we interested in Mars? Why are we interested in our neighbors? Why do boys fall in love with the girl next door? It's the planet next door. It's the only one we know of that might someday be made habitable for human colonists, for human life. 258 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:48,000 Our romantic fascination with Mars and creatures that might dwell there began in the 19th century when an imaginative astronomer showed the world what that tiny red speck looked like up close and said there were canals there. 259 00:29:48,000 --> 00:30:00,000 When Shipper Ellie said, I can see channels, there are lines on the surface. I think that was the beginning of the mass interest in Mars. Those canals were really the big kicker. 260 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:17,000 Once Shipper Ellie said that there might be life on Mars, the stage was set for all-out Martian hysteria, culminating with the broadcast of War of the Worlds in 1938. The radio play was fiction. Thousands of people believed we were under Martian attack. 261 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:33,000 That night was a disaster in the New York area because a lot of people thought, my gosh, this is really happening. And it was such a powerful impact that ever since then the story of the Martian invasion has become one of the basic American popular culture mythology stories. 262 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:46,000 And now a new Martian invasion is underway. Earth meets Mars on its own turf when NASA's first camera-laden probe lands in 1997. And the mission after that is already on the drawing board. 263 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:58,000 We're going to be trying to send a little rolling geologist to Mars. The rolling geologist is basically a rover that's capable of taking a pickaxe and breaking a rock. It might not be a pickaxe, but basically the same function to try and break open a rock. 264 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:04,000 Since we're looking for life in the long run, we may send an instrument to see if there are organics in the rocks. 265 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:16,000 But before the first remote-controlled robot can land on Mars, a NASA team led by mission architect Dr. Mark Adler must invent a whole new kind of technology. 266 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:31,000 The kind of technologies that we're going to need to be able to do this mission are in large part nonexistent. We have to develop a lot of new technologies. And we're just going to barrel ahead and take the risk and hope that we can do it and plan the missions to use those technologies. 267 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:38,000 Even as Adler's work begins, others are already thinking about a manned mission before 2012. 268 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:56,000 The current idea for sending people to Mars would be to send a factory to the Martian surface first, a robot factory that would suck in the very tenuous, very sparse Martian air into tanks and possibly pull some water out from the soil. 269 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:14,000 And combine these with chemicals brought from Earth to create a reservoir of air, water, and rocket fuel, waiting for the astronauts to land on the surface and live using these materials and then use the rocket fuel to come home. 270 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:24,000 Astronautical engineer and NASA consultant Dr. Robert Zubrin believes that the first humans on Mars will not be who you'd think. 271 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:33,000 On initial missions to Mars, I recommend a crew of four. Four is the minimum number you can have that you can split the crew up into two groups and have nobody be alone. 272 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:42,000 The most critical skill on a Mars mission is that of flight mechanic. The second most important person on the mission is the field scientist. 273 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:49,000 You don't need someone whose primary training is that of pilot because the spacecraft can actually be piloted in an automatic fashion. 274 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:55,000 We don't need a navigator. Certainly we do interplanetary navigation without navigators on board. 275 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:02,000 We certainly wouldn't want to have someone whose sole occupation is that of command, although someone will be in command. 276 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,000 And we don't need a doctor because the entire crew will be trained in first aid. 277 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:16,000 So in Star Trek terminology, what we bring is two Scotys and two Spocks, no Kirk's, McCoy's, Sue's, or Hooroo's need apply. 278 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:23,000 According to Dr. Zubrin, in the case for Mars, humans will be homesteading on the Red Planet in the 21st century. 279 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:33,000 Mars may appear to be bleak, but in fact there does exist on Mars every resource that is needed to support not just life, but a new branch of human civilization. 280 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:41,000 Mars has water. It's frozen, but it's there. It's got carbon dioxide. It's got nitrogen. It's got sulfur and calcium and phosphorus and silicon and iron and titanium and aluminum. 281 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:49,000 It's got everything you need to grow food, to make plastics, ceramics, glasses, metals, everything. 282 00:33:49,000 --> 00:34:00,000 And if you can go to Mars and develop the know-how that allows you to turn those elements into useful objects, you turn Mars into a habitable planet. 283 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:11,000 What was once a hotly contested space race is now a global effort, and it may well be that it takes another planet to finally unite the people of Earth. 284 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:21,000 When we go to Mars, we're going up a new world to humanity. We're not going there to, you know, do flags and footprints like Apollo. 285 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:31,000 Well, we're going there, okay, to explore a world and pioneer a world and create the first seeds of a new branch of human civilization.